И снова про позы

[QVall]

Так как дайри не предусматривает реблог с тублера, копипаст отсюда:

Finding That a “Dynamic” Pose is Defined by Gender

What makes a male pose dynamic? What makes a female pose dynamic?

As I mentioned in this post, “A B&B [boobs and butt] pose for the sake of consumption means that it’s okay to portray women as objects for sexual satisfaction in the public sphere. It’s to the point where I’ve read that redrawing a B&B pose into something more sensible makes the pose less ‘dynamic’.”

I received a comment in response to that post wherein a reader said: “all of your redraws are far less dramatic than the previous drawings. They lack the energy and dynamism and are far more static.” (And I’m sure they are, since I meant only to critique the unnecessary prevalence of B&B poses. I’m hardly a professional and my intent was never to undermine or belittle true professionals, only to make a point.)

After a while, I started wondering what exactly is expected out of a “dynamic” pose between genders – because it’s clear to me that they’re vastly different.

I started with this cover image:



Obvious anatomical problems aside, I’ve seen this staple over and over again. I can’t seem to get away from it. Essentially, the most common pose for women is the ‘S’ curve, which will generally be some sort of variation of this:


— No guts
— Always arched back/Broken spine
— Accentuation of the curves
— small feet
— Pointed toes

This is a basic battle stance for a woman. (And as demonstrated in my previous post, now it’s taken even further.) The ‘S’ shape is very clearly defined in the above cover image.

(By the way, this was really hard to do, as I kept having to cinch her waist more and more, and I don’t think I could muster the will to do it again.)

So, what would said cover image look like with male bodies?



Well.

I see no problem with this. What’s wrong with this? Yes, it’s not realistic to jump down and attack with the legs folded in like that, but the pose IS possible, and, well…yes, it’s going to be very problematic when they land and actually try to attack from that position, but…

It looks good, right? Got them ‘S’ curves, and comic books are for entertainment purposes anyway, so who cares if it’s not realistic? It just has to be sexy. The male readership will just have to get over their whiney selves and deal with this. It’s not my problem if their male superheroes are sexualized or portrayed ridiculously.



Does that sound familiar?

You might have read at least one comment lashing out against women (and men too, of course) who complain that their female superheroes are simply serving as sex objects for the male readership.

Let’s be honest. What would that cover really look like with two men? Based on the formula given, something like:



How dynamic is it to face the camera front-on and flat? For a man, very interesting. Powerful. Cover shot. For a woman, it’s lacking energy, isn’t dynamic at all, and is static.

It’s as if “dynamic” for male superheroes translates to “bold, strong, confrontational, dominant,” and for female superheroes “dynamic” translates to, “sexy, curvy, suggestive”. Sexualized media has altered how we inherently view the roles of males and females in society.

That’s why a huge fanbase takes issue with the guys who say, “So what? I want to look at sexy women, and it’s a comic book, it doesn’t have to be realistic.”

Well, we want our female superheroes to be on the same bad-assery level as our male superheroes, even if the B&B/’S’ shape pose in question is possible or explainable.

There needs to be less of this:



And more of this:



There needs to be fewer breasts and butt cheeks to the camera:



And more, uh…



Well, we could stand to see a little more of that.

But if that’s the case, we might just see more of everything.



There is a time for sexy, but it doesn’t have to be all the time. Society generally refers to that as porn, and our favorite female superheroes deserve to be treated just as responsibly as their male counterparts.

И tumblr с артом комиксных героинь в немыслимых позах )

Comments

[Tattletale]

Даааа, Деодато в начале своей карьеры отжигал... Хотя, не он один.

24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yrpqG4zI1r34y4ho1_...
Кстати, там всю... эмм... мангу... можно растащить на подобные кадры.
Ах, пятая страница и... та-даа! Лэнд. Я уж думал его не позвали

[QVall]

Tattletale, а ведь можно рисовать крутые обложки с динамическими женскими позами, например, как Маркос Мартин

[Tattletale]

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омфг Он никогда не перестанет преподносить сюрпризы.

Маркос Мартин

Поскольку ничего кроме дардевила у меня не было, пришлось погуглить. Бэтгёл действительно хороша. А ещё что-нибудь есть?

[QVall]

Tattletale, собственно, ее он и рисовал

с Вики

Interior comic work includes:

The Batman Chronicles #12: "The Contract" (with Devin Kallie Grayson, DC Comics, 1998)
JSA #6: "Justice, Like Lightning..." (with David S. Goyer and Geoff Johns, DC Comics, 2000)
Robin #81: "The Obtuse Conundrum" (with Chuck Dixon, DC Comics, 2000)
Robin: Year One #4 (with Scott Beatty, Chuck Dixon and Javier Pulido, DC Comics, 2001)
Joker: Last Laugh #2: "Siege Mentality" (with Scott Beatty and Chuck Dixon, DC Comics, 2001)
Birds of Prey #37: "Red, Black and Blue" (with Chuck Dixon, DC Comics, 2002)
Batgirl: Year One #1-9 (with Scott Beatty and Chuck Dixon, DC Comics, 2003)
Breach #1-8, 11 (with Bob Harras, DC Comics, 2005–2006)
I ♥ Marvel: My Mutant Heart: "How Love Works" (with Peter Milligan, one-shot, Marvel, 2006)
Captain America 65th Anniversary Special: "Secrets of Iron & Fire" (with Ed Brubaker, Mike Perkins and Javier Pulido, Marvel, 2006)
Doctor Strange: The Oath #1-5 (with Brian K. Vaughan, Marvel, 2006–2007)
The Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel):
"Peter Parker, Paparazzi" (with Dan Slott, in #559-561, 2008)
"Character Assassination Interlude: The Spartacus Gambit" (with Marc Guggenheim, in Extra! #1, 2008)
"Unscheduled Stop" (with Mark Waid, in #578-579, 2009)
"Identity Crisis" (with Stan Lee, in #600, 2009)
"Mysterioso" (with Dan Slott, in #618-620, 2010)
"Spidey Sundays" (with Stan Lee, in #634-645, co-features, 2010)
"No One Dies" (with Dan Slott, in #655-657, 2011)
Captain America Comics 70th Anniversary Special: "What Makes the Man" (with James Robinson, Marvel, 2009)
The Mystic Hands of Dr. Strange: "Duel in the Dark Dimension" (with Mike Carey, one-shot, Marvel, 2010)
Daredevil #1, 4-6 (with Mark Waid and Paolo Rivera, Marvel, 2011)

[Tattletale]

QVall, ясно=) Кстати, вспомнил тут тёрнеровскую обложку со Старфаер, Флэшем и кем-то ещё в очень неоднозначной позе. Но найти не могу

[QVall]

Tattletale, эта?

[Tattletale]

QVall, неее... Там их трое было, и держали парни её весьма неоднозначным образом. Не помню чего обложка была, скорее всего титанов

[Tattletale]

А найти я не могу потому, что это нихрена не Тёрнер был
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[Arisu_krd]

позы это дааа.
ну и на самом деле, можно же правдоподобно рисовать, и совмещать гору понятий.
мне самой нравятся красиво нарисованные женские персонажи. но то, что они творили с той же Селиной Кайл в Нью52, где сиськи выпадали из комбинезона, или с воплощенной сексуальностью Старфайр в Редхуде, нууу.... достали.

на эту тему больше всего люблю, когда мужских персонажей переодевают в костюмы женских супергероев с комментариями *ай, как удобно в этом бороться со злом*