It's funny because it's sad.
Два раза подряд - это уже практически тенденция, и, значит, можно сделать предварительный вывод: Большая Двойка усвоила урок печатных родственников из мира моды и осень стала временем. когда Происходят Вещи.
И если в прошлый раз основной шум подняло DC, то в этот раз прогремело Marvel.
Итак, первым номером у нас Avengers vs. X-Men:
Ивент (для целей разговора давайте договоримся, что это слово в русском языке существует) подошёл к концу, а значит пришло время перевести дыхание, собрать камни и высказать мнения, чем народ с огромной радостью и занимается.
Рецензии с вкраплениями мыслейРецензии с вкраплениями мыслей:
SUNDAY SLUGFEST: Avengers vs. X-Men #12 - Cap realizes that he needs to do away with that plain old style of canny Avengers teams featuring mutants like Scarlet Witch, Wolverine and Beast and start focusing on a more open minded, revolutionary approach featuring mutants like Scarlet Witch, Wolverine and Rogue. And don't get me started on Iron Man's discovery of faith, by which I mean the bastardized Hollywood version that encourages a person to take foolish chances with no good explanation whatsoever. I'm miffed as a lifelong churchgoer, but even more so as a comics reader, who thought all that build-up of Tony Stark studying the Phoenix Force was actually going somewhere... Hey, and did I blink and miss it, or did the final act of this story pass the Bechdel test? Wanda and Hope, talking to each other about the fate of everyone and each other and making a mutual decision without turning to Scott, Logan, Steve or Tony... AvX failed to deliver grander themes and only threw a few successful plot twists at us. It's a comic with an agenda: to close off a magnitude of character storylines and set the reader up for the next wave of relaunches. The plot is an afterthought. The editors' presence coats the pages of the book, with an overarching goal to bring the far-wandering X-Men line closer to home and mix it in with the success of the Avengers, a current pop culture buzzword.
Review: Avengers vs. X-Men #12 - At some point, issue #12 feels like the architects needing to run through their checklist of stuff they set up at the beginning of the event, rather than an actual story, to the extent that you wonder whether this “architects event” thing was a bad idea. After all, most of their individual books are far better than this event was. Another shortcoming of “Avengers Vs. X-Men” has been its inability to decide whether it wants to be a big, flashy popcorn event or another meditation on absolute power corrupting absolutely. That’s not to say that it can’t be both, but these last few issues have lost any sort of balance that the series once had. There is no “fun” to be had in this issue.
Josh Wilding Reviews: AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #12 - In hindsight, it should have been obvious that The Avengers would win. After all, they did just star in a $1.5 billion movie. Perish the thought that Marvel would want anyone reading the series to view THEM as the villains. However, whichever side you ultimately fall down on, there's no getting around the fact that the X-Men franchise has been left in a mess thanks to Avengers Vs. X-Men.
The X-Axis – 7 October 2012 - Credit where it’s due, this series really does resolve a whole load of long-running storylines. Wanda’s back in circulation as a hero. Hope’s messiah role is resolved. The Phoenix is out of circulation (though granted, it wasn’t doing much anyway). Cyclops’ radicalisation flows through to its logical conclusion. And the “no more mutants” storyline, which has been running for seven years, is finally and mercifully ended.
Chain Reactions | Avengers vs. X-Men #12
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When Words Collide: Discussing "Avengers Vs X-Men," Splash Page Style - I didn't have to suffer through months and months of "AvX." I just basically ignored it and read it all at the end and thought, "Hey, this was actually not so bad after all." I guess what I liked about it was that it took the swerve with the Phoenix force and didn't become about a massive attack force vs. an extra-terrestrial threat. It became about the Marvel Universe dealing with its own internal issues, amplified, as the Phoenixed-up X-Men attempted to bring about the utopia they've been striving for all this time, while the "heroes" really showed themselves to be forces in service to the status quo who were compelled, by their nature, to prevent any real changes to the way things are. It was smarter than "Civil War," by a factor of ten, in other words. But maybe that's still not even close to enough. Then again, I can't imagine a way "AvX" could have resolved -- and yeah, you nailed it with your predictions -- that would have made sense for the Marvel Universe, unless the company really wanted to change everything. And they clearly have no interest in smashing up their properties..."AvX" is very much of its time, rooted in two oddly conflicting ideas that have taken hold during the past decade. On one hand, you have the idea of a growing intermingling of the superhero community. Most of these guys have been around for a long time, worked together quite a bit and known each other, at least in passing. There's a growing familiarity amongst the heroes, brought on in a big way by Brian Michael Bendis's tenure on the Avengers titles. And all of that makes sense. But, there's also a tendency to have the same heroes go from simple disagreement to brutal violence. "Civil War" showed this quite clearly where no one stopped and said, "Hey, I agree with this new law, but I'm not going to fight people who were my teammates yesterday," which is what I assume most reasonable people would do. Instead, it was all-out war, because, apparently, no one can solve any sort of disagreement without violence (given the lives superheroes lead, that's not entirely surprising, but it's also fairly pathetic and unheroic)... The kinds of massive, world-shaking stories that comics are known for are almost exclusively reserved for event comics these days. The average superhero comic isn't anything like the "Avengers" movie.
Six Developments from AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #12 - Steve mentions that the Phoenix Force is also to blame and that he was at fault for not doing more for mutants but those on the run are supposed to turn themselves in. It might seem unjustified but there were countless lives that were lost as a result of the havoc caused by the Phoenix Force. Whether or not they should be held accountable is up to someone else to decide.
The Consequences of AvX - At the end of AvX, Captain America still hasn’t chosen to arrest his former love interest for casting a spell which led to the direct deaths of hundreds of people, and indirectly to the deaths of characters like Nightcrawler. In fact, her role in reversing Decimation means that now she has very little dirt still on her – so much so that she is now free to join the Uncanny Avengers, a team Cap has built to show off all the “PR-Friendly” characters like, uh, Rogue Thor and Wolverine. Have the public really forgotten how Asgardians blew up a football stadium a few months ago? Or that time they were responsible for FEAR ITSELF?... Unless the Uncanny Avengers decide that they want to go back to the status quo and go about reinstating world poverty and hunger, liberally spraying deodorants at trees and throwing garbage into the ocean at an advanced rate, the world is now a lovely place to live in.
Avengers Vs. X-Men Break Down (Spoilers) - There wasn’t any mystery, and sense of wonder at what the conflict was about. It was like watching the writers play with a box of toys in new ways, rather than bringing in anything new. Even the big emotional punch, killing Professor X, loses emotional weight because we’ve seen it happen before.
What If The X-Men Were Right? - What if the Avengers had just sucked it up and let the Phoenix Five get on with it. To have remade the world into a paradise, dealt with violent conflict through negotiation, helped everyone achieve their natural desires to a level of contentment, fascination and delight with life, and made the world a better place. But no, Captain America had to fight for freedom, to go hunt his white whale. And in doing so, destroying Utopia and turning the Phoenix Five into monsters. Which they certainly were, their acts against the Avengers and those who opposed them were monstrous – but always as a result of super hero opposition. The Phoenix Force didn’t so much corrupt the Five as the Avengers did. It’s always been this way, with Jean Grey it was Mastermind and the Hellfire Club. With Rachel it was… the Hellfire Club. With the Phoenix Five it was The Illuminati. Of course this has often been the way with many a dictator – blame can often be shared around.
Ещё о конкретно Циклопе и его и Людей Икс (не)правоте в конфликте, помимо уже процитированногоЕщё о конкретно Циклопе и его и Людей Икс (не)правоте в конфликте, помимо уже процитированного:
Riding the Gravy Train 25 (NOT A GODDAMN THING) - Something that hit me recently is how irrelevant the Avengers are in this story. It's not really an Avengers story, is it? Oh, they may dominate some scenes and be one half of the story on the surface, but they don't really 'matter,' do they? They're simply the reactive force, a bunch of generic good guys trying to save the world without much about them that specifically drives the story. This could have been a story with any other group standing in for the Avengers. That the Avengers titles rarely did anything substantive with those characters in this story is one indication of how much this was an X-Men story that happened to use the Avengers as a way to make people actually care. The Avengers is Marvel's top franchise right now (pretty much because of Brian Michael Bendis), but the X-Men is a much stronger concept to drive stories... The biggest flaw in Avengers vs. X-Men is also my favourite thing about the series: Cyclops is the hero. This was obviously not the intention of anyone involved, but he is clearly the hero of this story, even after the events of issue 11. The spot where it changed was when the Phoenix actually arrived. Before that moment, he was a cult leader... That's the moment where the entire premise of the series was thrown out of the window and you couldn't dismiss Cyclops as a crazy cult leader. He was right... As I said when discussing issue 11, it's only when Cyclops is pushed to such extremes that he can't not respond that he really 'crosses the line' that separated him from the other Phoenix hosts. But, holding that against him is kind of like thinking Superman is the bad guy when every superhuman in the DCU teams up to try and kill him and all attempts to reason with them fails and they just keep coming.
Avengers vs. X-Men Mercifully Draws to a Close With #12 (Review) - The way Cyclops is being treated by the other characters is not, in itself, particularly surprising or unfair. Many writers and fans have rightly pointed out that characters in comics get mind-controlled all the time, including some who played key roles in Avengers vs. X-Men, and that they don’t get nearly the bad rap Scott Summers is getting. Wanda plunged the world into chaos and arguably precipitated these events and many more with her “No more mutants” proclamation. Jean Grey wiped out universes while under the influence of the Phoenix... And Scott killed Charles Xavier, so he’s being treated like public enemy number one, and that rubs some people the wrong way. But it’s all a matter of context. In the increasingly “realistic” Marvel Universe, superheroes are something of an extension of traditional law enforcement (so much so that Iron Man fought to force all of his comrades-in-arms to register to be conscripted by the government, if you’ll recall). And what happens when somebody kills a cop? Anyone who’s ever seen a police show or a film noir knows the answer to that–it’s met with overwhelming force. It’s also not particularly fair to say that Cyclops was made into a pariah and Jean was not. After all, her own teammates killed her–or did their best to–and when she returned later quite a bit of time had passed. “The Devil made me do it” may not be a great excuse on the day, but once life has returned to its normal rhythm it’s harder to justify abuse toward your former friend. Just ask Hal Jordan.
Avengers Vs. X-Men #12 - I had been wondering for years why nobody seemed to “get” Cyclops, such a potentially interesting character. Had anyone got right what a self-righteous prig marrying a former villain might be like? Did Cyclops ever try to be a better brother? A better son to Xavier? No, for the past few years, he’s just been the dictator of his own island, arguably a worse leader than Magneto was for Genosha. A guy who never considered that he might be wrong, that other methods might work better. And now he’s just a big bunch of power in human shape.
Avengers vs. X-Men presents the ‘antivillain’ - No matter how well-intentioned, Cyclops was against freedom. With his species on the brink of extinction, he was ready to try to save them by any means necessary. Looking back at what he did before turning dark, it was wide-sweepingly authoritarian, but it was world peace. Scott Summers fought the Avengers with clean energy, water and food for everyone, humans and mutants alike. He declared that giant racist robots were as illegal as nuclear weapons and went in front of the UN to make it so. No Avengers were killed in this battle, they were detained. Phoenix-empowered, he could have destroyed them as several opportunities and while he declared “No More Avengers”, he never really decimated them as Wanda did to mutants with her famous words. When Namor veered into a more traditional villainous act of drowning Wakanda, not only did Namor go behind Cyclops’ back to do it but the result was Namor being stripped of his powers. There’s a leadership structure here among a nigh-omnipotent cosmic force, and for as long as he could, Cyclops tried to enforce order... Scott Summers started out with no intentions of watching anyone burn in the fires of the Phoenix. He wanted, if I can borrow a phrase, a finer world. Once given the power to make one, his actions twisted his original intentions into villainy.
Riding the Gravy Train 26 (Avengers vs. X-Men #12, AVX: VS #6, and Uncanny X-Men #19) - Cyclops was right and Captain America was wrong. Cyclops was the true hero of Avengers vs. X-Men and Captain America was the true villain. Cyclops lost (and won) and Captain America won (and won). Life ain't fair, kiddies. And superhero comics are still the most basic and thoughtless of morality tales, so wrapped up in ideas like "Cyclops killed Professor X" than "Cyclops defended himself against the entirety of the Avengers and X-Men, including Professor X, who was actively trying to shut down Cyclops's brain throughout the fight and, in self-defence, killed Professor X," which is kind of what actually happened. It's like the entire event was one long exercise in pushing the "Captain America is always right" rule that governs the Marvel Universe more than anything else as far as it could go... Looking back over the series, all I can see when looking Captain America is an aggressor who continually looks for a chance to fight and 'put down' his former allies instead of working with them -- and, then, when those allies are proven to have been right from the beginning, still blames them for everything that went wrong. Oh, he pays a little lip service to the idea that he's partially responsible, but it's Cyclops who's in prison despite the fight that resulted in Xavier's death was the result of Captain America leading about three dozen people in an all-out assault on two people... What's a little sad is that, if Captain America and the Avengers had killed Cyclops, he would have made some speech about it being 'necessary,' and everyone would have nodded along.
The Weekend Week In Revew (10/3/2012) - That in mind, it’s very easy to call this Cyclops’ Greatest Misses as well, as he brutally attacks his friends, levels cities, and — oh yeah – murders Charles Xavier. And we thought Emma would be the villain! As know, however, Cyclops is defeated by the combined efforts of Hope and Wanda, and in the immediate wake of the battle he is detained by Beast, who reveals to him that the Phoenix’s defeat did result in the birth of the new mutant population, as we discussed in “AvX” #12. Now, even though Scott is morally and ethically lost and viewed as a monster by the general population of the world, let alone his friends and co-workers, he reveals that he’s just a wee bit crazy given that he’s proud of everything he’s done due to the results. That and a goofy smile.
Об ивенте словами его разнообразных создателейОб ивенте словами его разнообразных создателей:
Avengers Vs. X-Men: War Journals - Behind The Scenes Of 'AvX #12' - создатели говорят в камеру.
Avengers vs. X-Men: Jason Aaron talks the tragic fate of Professor X - I think the X-universe passed him by a bit. The dynamic has changed so much in that world that he didn’t really have a place in it anymore. And instead of just having him continue to bounce around as a secondary character with no real place to go, I think his death opens up a lot of story possibilities, as we see characters forced to step up in his wake, characters struggling to honor his memory, and of course we’ll see Cyclops continue to deal with the burden of being Xavier’s murderer.
Tom Brevoort: Bridging AvX Finale & Marvel NOW! [Spoilers] - Number two is kind of a cross between, "You awful people, how could you characterize the Phoenix Five as such bad guys when it's really all the Avengers' fault. If the Avengers had just not done anything, they would have made the world a paradise, and the deserts would bloom, and the ice caps would freeze." I think that's a reasonable point. Every reader comes out and supports their team, and the characters that they like the most. That's part of the game. It's right there in the title: "Avengers vs. X-Men." But also right there in the title — and I have some experience with this because I worked on JLA vs. Avengers years ago —is the promise that somebody is going to end up on the winning side, and somebody is going to end up not so much on the winning side, and the fans of the characters that are the latter are going to tend to be vocal about it. So none of this is a huge shock or a surprise. It's all par for the course whenever you do a story like this. There's no way we could have done one of these and made everybody happy... Your viewpoint on Cyclops really depends on where you stand on the choices he made. I think at the very least, if he's not a heroic figure, he's a sympathetic figure, and I wouldn't necessarily even rule out that he's a heroic figure. I think that's completely up to the individual readers to decide for themselves.
AVENGERS VS. X-MEN Post-Game: Finale Edition - I wouldn't be surprised if one series or another went back and revisited these areas where the Phoenix Five attempted to bring about global and societal change, and without them there to maintain it, we see what the fallout of that is, and what the end result of that is. It's certainly not a case where fingers were snapped and everything just kind of went back to the way it was.
Axel-In-Charge: Ending "Avengers Vs. X-Men" - The big question, of course, is, what would’ve happened if the Phoenix Force had taken Hope as its host at the beginning of the story? Would Hope have been ready? I don’t think so. I think she became ready in the crucible of everything that happened in “AvX,” especially during her spiritual journey and training in Kun Lun. Everything that happened prepared her for the moment when she took in the power and was actually able to give it back to the cosmos. She was finally ready. In that sense, whatever you say about Cyclops' methods, whether you think it was him or the Phoenix Force that killed Professor X and did all those other shenanigans, the results speak for themselves. The second time around, Hope was able harness that power and use it for good – to focus that Phoenix power as a force for rebirth as opposed to destruction. And the mutant race was saved... Hey, we promised that "AvX" would end-cap a number of stories that went all the way back to "House of M" and “Messiah CompleX.” The Scarlet Witch was redeemed, Scott Summer’s faith in Hope paid off when she lived up to the hype, and the Avengers played a huge role in bringing the mutant race back from the brink of extinction. As we head into Marvel NOW!, the Marvel Universe is different: the Avengers will think bigger than they ever have before, the X-Men will chart a bold new course for its future, and the line between super-powered human and mutant will never been thinner.
Развлечения и картинкиНу и, наконец, развлечения:
Вообще-то тут стоит читать всю (абсолютно прекрасную) серию, но сосредоточимся на финале: ComicsAlliance Vs. AvX Round Twelve: Final Fight - I'm not sure how all of these fights are meant to tie together, or even why any of it is happening given that we must surely have exhausted the tie-in opportunities to expand on these stories by now, but maybe readers are so used to montages that they've forgotten how to read ordinary comics. Sequentials are over. It's all flash cards from here on out. Two sidenotes from the montage: First, Giant Man appears to be stealing a yacht, proving that you can take the man out of the Yellowjacket costume but you can't take the Yellowjacket out of the man. Second, Gambit and Hawkeye have gone to Paris together. I previously posited that the forthcoming A+X spin-off book should explore unlikely romantic couplings between Avengers and X-Men. I assume that's where this is going. Marvel's new power couple is Hawkbit. You know you want it, Tumblr.... Nova is dispatched to bring Dark Cyclops down to earth. Nova tells Cap he's a hemisphere away, which surely means he's literally as far away as he could possibly be while still being nominally adjacent to the right planet. But that's close enough for a member of the Bucket Lantern Corps! And can I say that, Nova, I miss the golden bucket, but I assume the blue bucket represents a different emotion. The gold buckets represented "whimsy" or "exuberance," and the blue buckets represent "thirsty" or "bergamot." Those are all emotions, right?... If you're the editor and you think there are too many stories about mutants, just tell your writers to write fewer stories about mutants! Genocide is never the answer... Cyclops would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling Avengers.
И картинки:
Маленькая картинка:
Большая картинкаБольшая картинка:
Совсем большая картинкаСовсем большая картинка:
И если в прошлый раз основной шум подняло DC, то в этот раз прогремело Marvel.
Итак, первым номером у нас Avengers vs. X-Men:
Ивент (для целей разговора давайте договоримся, что это слово в русском языке существует) подошёл к концу, а значит пришло время перевести дыхание, собрать камни и высказать мнения, чем народ с огромной радостью и занимается.
Рецензии с вкраплениями мыслейРецензии с вкраплениями мыслей:
SUNDAY SLUGFEST: Avengers vs. X-Men #12 - Cap realizes that he needs to do away with that plain old style of canny Avengers teams featuring mutants like Scarlet Witch, Wolverine and Beast and start focusing on a more open minded, revolutionary approach featuring mutants like Scarlet Witch, Wolverine and Rogue. And don't get me started on Iron Man's discovery of faith, by which I mean the bastardized Hollywood version that encourages a person to take foolish chances with no good explanation whatsoever. I'm miffed as a lifelong churchgoer, but even more so as a comics reader, who thought all that build-up of Tony Stark studying the Phoenix Force was actually going somewhere... Hey, and did I blink and miss it, or did the final act of this story pass the Bechdel test? Wanda and Hope, talking to each other about the fate of everyone and each other and making a mutual decision without turning to Scott, Logan, Steve or Tony... AvX failed to deliver grander themes and only threw a few successful plot twists at us. It's a comic with an agenda: to close off a magnitude of character storylines and set the reader up for the next wave of relaunches. The plot is an afterthought. The editors' presence coats the pages of the book, with an overarching goal to bring the far-wandering X-Men line closer to home and mix it in with the success of the Avengers, a current pop culture buzzword.
Review: Avengers vs. X-Men #12 - At some point, issue #12 feels like the architects needing to run through their checklist of stuff they set up at the beginning of the event, rather than an actual story, to the extent that you wonder whether this “architects event” thing was a bad idea. After all, most of their individual books are far better than this event was. Another shortcoming of “Avengers Vs. X-Men” has been its inability to decide whether it wants to be a big, flashy popcorn event or another meditation on absolute power corrupting absolutely. That’s not to say that it can’t be both, but these last few issues have lost any sort of balance that the series once had. There is no “fun” to be had in this issue.
Josh Wilding Reviews: AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #12 - In hindsight, it should have been obvious that The Avengers would win. After all, they did just star in a $1.5 billion movie. Perish the thought that Marvel would want anyone reading the series to view THEM as the villains. However, whichever side you ultimately fall down on, there's no getting around the fact that the X-Men franchise has been left in a mess thanks to Avengers Vs. X-Men.
The X-Axis – 7 October 2012 - Credit where it’s due, this series really does resolve a whole load of long-running storylines. Wanda’s back in circulation as a hero. Hope’s messiah role is resolved. The Phoenix is out of circulation (though granted, it wasn’t doing much anyway). Cyclops’ radicalisation flows through to its logical conclusion. And the “no more mutants” storyline, which has been running for seven years, is finally and mercifully ended.
Chain Reactions | Avengers vs. X-Men #12
Размышления о значении ивента в целомРазмышления о значении ивента в целом:
When Words Collide: Discussing "Avengers Vs X-Men," Splash Page Style - I didn't have to suffer through months and months of "AvX." I just basically ignored it and read it all at the end and thought, "Hey, this was actually not so bad after all." I guess what I liked about it was that it took the swerve with the Phoenix force and didn't become about a massive attack force vs. an extra-terrestrial threat. It became about the Marvel Universe dealing with its own internal issues, amplified, as the Phoenixed-up X-Men attempted to bring about the utopia they've been striving for all this time, while the "heroes" really showed themselves to be forces in service to the status quo who were compelled, by their nature, to prevent any real changes to the way things are. It was smarter than "Civil War," by a factor of ten, in other words. But maybe that's still not even close to enough. Then again, I can't imagine a way "AvX" could have resolved -- and yeah, you nailed it with your predictions -- that would have made sense for the Marvel Universe, unless the company really wanted to change everything. And they clearly have no interest in smashing up their properties..."AvX" is very much of its time, rooted in two oddly conflicting ideas that have taken hold during the past decade. On one hand, you have the idea of a growing intermingling of the superhero community. Most of these guys have been around for a long time, worked together quite a bit and known each other, at least in passing. There's a growing familiarity amongst the heroes, brought on in a big way by Brian Michael Bendis's tenure on the Avengers titles. And all of that makes sense. But, there's also a tendency to have the same heroes go from simple disagreement to brutal violence. "Civil War" showed this quite clearly where no one stopped and said, "Hey, I agree with this new law, but I'm not going to fight people who were my teammates yesterday," which is what I assume most reasonable people would do. Instead, it was all-out war, because, apparently, no one can solve any sort of disagreement without violence (given the lives superheroes lead, that's not entirely surprising, but it's also fairly pathetic and unheroic)... The kinds of massive, world-shaking stories that comics are known for are almost exclusively reserved for event comics these days. The average superhero comic isn't anything like the "Avengers" movie.
Six Developments from AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #12 - Steve mentions that the Phoenix Force is also to blame and that he was at fault for not doing more for mutants but those on the run are supposed to turn themselves in. It might seem unjustified but there were countless lives that were lost as a result of the havoc caused by the Phoenix Force. Whether or not they should be held accountable is up to someone else to decide.
The Consequences of AvX - At the end of AvX, Captain America still hasn’t chosen to arrest his former love interest for casting a spell which led to the direct deaths of hundreds of people, and indirectly to the deaths of characters like Nightcrawler. In fact, her role in reversing Decimation means that now she has very little dirt still on her – so much so that she is now free to join the Uncanny Avengers, a team Cap has built to show off all the “PR-Friendly” characters like, uh, Rogue Thor and Wolverine. Have the public really forgotten how Asgardians blew up a football stadium a few months ago? Or that time they were responsible for FEAR ITSELF?... Unless the Uncanny Avengers decide that they want to go back to the status quo and go about reinstating world poverty and hunger, liberally spraying deodorants at trees and throwing garbage into the ocean at an advanced rate, the world is now a lovely place to live in.
Avengers Vs. X-Men Break Down (Spoilers) - There wasn’t any mystery, and sense of wonder at what the conflict was about. It was like watching the writers play with a box of toys in new ways, rather than bringing in anything new. Even the big emotional punch, killing Professor X, loses emotional weight because we’ve seen it happen before.
What If The X-Men Were Right? - What if the Avengers had just sucked it up and let the Phoenix Five get on with it. To have remade the world into a paradise, dealt with violent conflict through negotiation, helped everyone achieve their natural desires to a level of contentment, fascination and delight with life, and made the world a better place. But no, Captain America had to fight for freedom, to go hunt his white whale. And in doing so, destroying Utopia and turning the Phoenix Five into monsters. Which they certainly were, their acts against the Avengers and those who opposed them were monstrous – but always as a result of super hero opposition. The Phoenix Force didn’t so much corrupt the Five as the Avengers did. It’s always been this way, with Jean Grey it was Mastermind and the Hellfire Club. With Rachel it was… the Hellfire Club. With the Phoenix Five it was The Illuminati. Of course this has often been the way with many a dictator – blame can often be shared around.
Ещё о конкретно Циклопе и его и Людей Икс (не)правоте в конфликте, помимо уже процитированногоЕщё о конкретно Циклопе и его и Людей Икс (не)правоте в конфликте, помимо уже процитированного:
Riding the Gravy Train 25 (NOT A GODDAMN THING) - Something that hit me recently is how irrelevant the Avengers are in this story. It's not really an Avengers story, is it? Oh, they may dominate some scenes and be one half of the story on the surface, but they don't really 'matter,' do they? They're simply the reactive force, a bunch of generic good guys trying to save the world without much about them that specifically drives the story. This could have been a story with any other group standing in for the Avengers. That the Avengers titles rarely did anything substantive with those characters in this story is one indication of how much this was an X-Men story that happened to use the Avengers as a way to make people actually care. The Avengers is Marvel's top franchise right now (pretty much because of Brian Michael Bendis), but the X-Men is a much stronger concept to drive stories... The biggest flaw in Avengers vs. X-Men is also my favourite thing about the series: Cyclops is the hero. This was obviously not the intention of anyone involved, but he is clearly the hero of this story, even after the events of issue 11. The spot where it changed was when the Phoenix actually arrived. Before that moment, he was a cult leader... That's the moment where the entire premise of the series was thrown out of the window and you couldn't dismiss Cyclops as a crazy cult leader. He was right... As I said when discussing issue 11, it's only when Cyclops is pushed to such extremes that he can't not respond that he really 'crosses the line' that separated him from the other Phoenix hosts. But, holding that against him is kind of like thinking Superman is the bad guy when every superhuman in the DCU teams up to try and kill him and all attempts to reason with them fails and they just keep coming.
Avengers vs. X-Men Mercifully Draws to a Close With #12 (Review) - The way Cyclops is being treated by the other characters is not, in itself, particularly surprising or unfair. Many writers and fans have rightly pointed out that characters in comics get mind-controlled all the time, including some who played key roles in Avengers vs. X-Men, and that they don’t get nearly the bad rap Scott Summers is getting. Wanda plunged the world into chaos and arguably precipitated these events and many more with her “No more mutants” proclamation. Jean Grey wiped out universes while under the influence of the Phoenix... And Scott killed Charles Xavier, so he’s being treated like public enemy number one, and that rubs some people the wrong way. But it’s all a matter of context. In the increasingly “realistic” Marvel Universe, superheroes are something of an extension of traditional law enforcement (so much so that Iron Man fought to force all of his comrades-in-arms to register to be conscripted by the government, if you’ll recall). And what happens when somebody kills a cop? Anyone who’s ever seen a police show or a film noir knows the answer to that–it’s met with overwhelming force. It’s also not particularly fair to say that Cyclops was made into a pariah and Jean was not. After all, her own teammates killed her–or did their best to–and when she returned later quite a bit of time had passed. “The Devil made me do it” may not be a great excuse on the day, but once life has returned to its normal rhythm it’s harder to justify abuse toward your former friend. Just ask Hal Jordan.
Avengers Vs. X-Men #12 - I had been wondering for years why nobody seemed to “get” Cyclops, such a potentially interesting character. Had anyone got right what a self-righteous prig marrying a former villain might be like? Did Cyclops ever try to be a better brother? A better son to Xavier? No, for the past few years, he’s just been the dictator of his own island, arguably a worse leader than Magneto was for Genosha. A guy who never considered that he might be wrong, that other methods might work better. And now he’s just a big bunch of power in human shape.
Avengers vs. X-Men presents the ‘antivillain’ - No matter how well-intentioned, Cyclops was against freedom. With his species on the brink of extinction, he was ready to try to save them by any means necessary. Looking back at what he did before turning dark, it was wide-sweepingly authoritarian, but it was world peace. Scott Summers fought the Avengers with clean energy, water and food for everyone, humans and mutants alike. He declared that giant racist robots were as illegal as nuclear weapons and went in front of the UN to make it so. No Avengers were killed in this battle, they were detained. Phoenix-empowered, he could have destroyed them as several opportunities and while he declared “No More Avengers”, he never really decimated them as Wanda did to mutants with her famous words. When Namor veered into a more traditional villainous act of drowning Wakanda, not only did Namor go behind Cyclops’ back to do it but the result was Namor being stripped of his powers. There’s a leadership structure here among a nigh-omnipotent cosmic force, and for as long as he could, Cyclops tried to enforce order... Scott Summers started out with no intentions of watching anyone burn in the fires of the Phoenix. He wanted, if I can borrow a phrase, a finer world. Once given the power to make one, his actions twisted his original intentions into villainy.
Riding the Gravy Train 26 (Avengers vs. X-Men #12, AVX: VS #6, and Uncanny X-Men #19) - Cyclops was right and Captain America was wrong. Cyclops was the true hero of Avengers vs. X-Men and Captain America was the true villain. Cyclops lost (and won) and Captain America won (and won). Life ain't fair, kiddies. And superhero comics are still the most basic and thoughtless of morality tales, so wrapped up in ideas like "Cyclops killed Professor X" than "Cyclops defended himself against the entirety of the Avengers and X-Men, including Professor X, who was actively trying to shut down Cyclops's brain throughout the fight and, in self-defence, killed Professor X," which is kind of what actually happened. It's like the entire event was one long exercise in pushing the "Captain America is always right" rule that governs the Marvel Universe more than anything else as far as it could go... Looking back over the series, all I can see when looking Captain America is an aggressor who continually looks for a chance to fight and 'put down' his former allies instead of working with them -- and, then, when those allies are proven to have been right from the beginning, still blames them for everything that went wrong. Oh, he pays a little lip service to the idea that he's partially responsible, but it's Cyclops who's in prison despite the fight that resulted in Xavier's death was the result of Captain America leading about three dozen people in an all-out assault on two people... What's a little sad is that, if Captain America and the Avengers had killed Cyclops, he would have made some speech about it being 'necessary,' and everyone would have nodded along.
The Weekend Week In Revew (10/3/2012) - That in mind, it’s very easy to call this Cyclops’ Greatest Misses as well, as he brutally attacks his friends, levels cities, and — oh yeah – murders Charles Xavier. And we thought Emma would be the villain! As know, however, Cyclops is defeated by the combined efforts of Hope and Wanda, and in the immediate wake of the battle he is detained by Beast, who reveals to him that the Phoenix’s defeat did result in the birth of the new mutant population, as we discussed in “AvX” #12. Now, even though Scott is morally and ethically lost and viewed as a monster by the general population of the world, let alone his friends and co-workers, he reveals that he’s just a wee bit crazy given that he’s proud of everything he’s done due to the results. That and a goofy smile.
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Avengers Vs. X-Men: War Journals - Behind The Scenes Of 'AvX #12' - создатели говорят в камеру.
Avengers vs. X-Men: Jason Aaron talks the tragic fate of Professor X - I think the X-universe passed him by a bit. The dynamic has changed so much in that world that he didn’t really have a place in it anymore. And instead of just having him continue to bounce around as a secondary character with no real place to go, I think his death opens up a lot of story possibilities, as we see characters forced to step up in his wake, characters struggling to honor his memory, and of course we’ll see Cyclops continue to deal with the burden of being Xavier’s murderer.
Tom Brevoort: Bridging AvX Finale & Marvel NOW! [Spoilers] - Number two is kind of a cross between, "You awful people, how could you characterize the Phoenix Five as such bad guys when it's really all the Avengers' fault. If the Avengers had just not done anything, they would have made the world a paradise, and the deserts would bloom, and the ice caps would freeze." I think that's a reasonable point. Every reader comes out and supports their team, and the characters that they like the most. That's part of the game. It's right there in the title: "Avengers vs. X-Men." But also right there in the title — and I have some experience with this because I worked on JLA vs. Avengers years ago —is the promise that somebody is going to end up on the winning side, and somebody is going to end up not so much on the winning side, and the fans of the characters that are the latter are going to tend to be vocal about it. So none of this is a huge shock or a surprise. It's all par for the course whenever you do a story like this. There's no way we could have done one of these and made everybody happy... Your viewpoint on Cyclops really depends on where you stand on the choices he made. I think at the very least, if he's not a heroic figure, he's a sympathetic figure, and I wouldn't necessarily even rule out that he's a heroic figure. I think that's completely up to the individual readers to decide for themselves.
AVENGERS VS. X-MEN Post-Game: Finale Edition - I wouldn't be surprised if one series or another went back and revisited these areas where the Phoenix Five attempted to bring about global and societal change, and without them there to maintain it, we see what the fallout of that is, and what the end result of that is. It's certainly not a case where fingers were snapped and everything just kind of went back to the way it was.
Axel-In-Charge: Ending "Avengers Vs. X-Men" - The big question, of course, is, what would’ve happened if the Phoenix Force had taken Hope as its host at the beginning of the story? Would Hope have been ready? I don’t think so. I think she became ready in the crucible of everything that happened in “AvX,” especially during her spiritual journey and training in Kun Lun. Everything that happened prepared her for the moment when she took in the power and was actually able to give it back to the cosmos. She was finally ready. In that sense, whatever you say about Cyclops' methods, whether you think it was him or the Phoenix Force that killed Professor X and did all those other shenanigans, the results speak for themselves. The second time around, Hope was able harness that power and use it for good – to focus that Phoenix power as a force for rebirth as opposed to destruction. And the mutant race was saved... Hey, we promised that "AvX" would end-cap a number of stories that went all the way back to "House of M" and “Messiah CompleX.” The Scarlet Witch was redeemed, Scott Summer’s faith in Hope paid off when she lived up to the hype, and the Avengers played a huge role in bringing the mutant race back from the brink of extinction. As we head into Marvel NOW!, the Marvel Universe is different: the Avengers will think bigger than they ever have before, the X-Men will chart a bold new course for its future, and the line between super-powered human and mutant will never been thinner.
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Вообще-то тут стоит читать всю (абсолютно прекрасную) серию, но сосредоточимся на финале: ComicsAlliance Vs. AvX Round Twelve: Final Fight - I'm not sure how all of these fights are meant to tie together, or even why any of it is happening given that we must surely have exhausted the tie-in opportunities to expand on these stories by now, but maybe readers are so used to montages that they've forgotten how to read ordinary comics. Sequentials are over. It's all flash cards from here on out. Two sidenotes from the montage: First, Giant Man appears to be stealing a yacht, proving that you can take the man out of the Yellowjacket costume but you can't take the Yellowjacket out of the man. Second, Gambit and Hawkeye have gone to Paris together. I previously posited that the forthcoming A+X spin-off book should explore unlikely romantic couplings between Avengers and X-Men. I assume that's where this is going. Marvel's new power couple is Hawkbit. You know you want it, Tumblr.... Nova is dispatched to bring Dark Cyclops down to earth. Nova tells Cap he's a hemisphere away, which surely means he's literally as far away as he could possibly be while still being nominally adjacent to the right planet. But that's close enough for a member of the Bucket Lantern Corps! And can I say that, Nova, I miss the golden bucket, but I assume the blue bucket represents a different emotion. The gold buckets represented "whimsy" or "exuberance," and the blue buckets represent "thirsty" or "bergamot." Those are all emotions, right?... If you're the editor and you think there are too many stories about mutants, just tell your writers to write fewer stories about mutants! Genocide is never the answer... Cyclops would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling Avengers.
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12.10.2012 в 22:19комиксаминовостями про комиксы про икс-менов, чтобы узнать, как там Ксавье, жив ли, здоров ли, снова ли обвинен во всех смертных грехах, спит ли с Магнето... Юыл юы он хоть значимым героем, помогала бы Вики, а тут было сложно.Но мои страдания закончены.
Ура. Циклоп - мой герой.
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12.10.2012 в 22:28В лучшем случае.
Вот! Вот так мы и определяем, на чьей стороне была большая правда!
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12.10.2012 в 22:34И я думаю, что отдохнуть смогу все лет пять, пока они будут выжимать соки из Хоуп)
Вот так мы и определяем, на чьей стороне была большая правда!
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12.10.2012 в 22:40Кто у них там был последним громким трупом? О котором нам прожужжали все уши несколько месяцев загодя?
Ах да, Джонни Шторм. Которого откопали и отряхнули, ЕМНИП, меньше чем через год после трагической гибели).
Отсюда ВЫВОД.
Да-да-да!
Мне, не читавшей, оно куда удобнее!
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12.10.2012 в 22:48Так что ну не пять, но три-то года я точно отдохну!
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12.10.2012 в 22:52Живой кино-франчайз, в котором как раз пригрозил появиться Партик Стюарт!
Так, съёмки сиквела вроде как начнутся, как только Лоуренс закончит с новыми "Голодными играми", то есть зимой, а значит премьера не позднее лета-2014.
Так что два года максимум, даже полтора))).
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13.10.2012 в 00:22потому что его убил Бендис, а он так убивает, что ого-го. Силу, отобранную у матантов по его воле, вот только сейчас вернули (причём как-то лево _-_). Сначала сюжет на его отсутствии замутят, потом потащат по накатанной, плюс ко всему, он на самом деле уже как-то слил, и без него прекрасно обойдутся, это Джонни был обязательным четвёртым колесо, без которого тележка плохо ехала-
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13.10.2012 в 00:32Икс умер и его мозг забрал Ред Скал на мерчендайз. Тут до воскрешения еще мутить и мутить.
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13.10.2012 в 00:49Икс умер и его мозг забрал Ред Скал на мерчендайз.
даваще XDDD я считаю, правильно сделал! Почему, вообще, никто из наших его мозг себе не загрёб? Это ж такая интересная штука, а они взяли и зарыли её в землю!
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13.10.2012 в 00:58Нет, ну отличная же завязка для следующего эпического эпика. "Мозг профессора Ксавье со всеми скачанными данными о личной жизни героев всплывает на Ибэй"...
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13.10.2012 в 01:04Вот именно! Какое к чертям этому клону-Черепу мировое господство, когда он может всех шантажировать и зарабатывать кучу бабла, сливая информацию жёлтой прессе!
Но если серьёзно, мне кажется, тему с мозгом закончат глав за пяток и забудут =\ Столько фана пропадает почём зря
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13.10.2012 в 01:08Сик транзит глория мунди.
Но с блогом "Перец Профессор - скандалы, интриги, исследования" я бы ознакомилась.
А в моем фанонном рае Ксавье все равно живет долго и счастливо и вечно вместе еще с сотенкой-другой персонажей подобного типажа. Там даже дома М не было и нофинг хёртс.